| Posted 10/30/2006 - 07:54:01 AM by raskolnikov: | |
| Boy, with J. Geils, Bruce Springsteen, and Erykah Badu on this list, I'm really getting excited to see the remaining 40 albums. Would I be off the mark in guessing that Billy Ray Cyrus and perhaps Jodeci will fill out the latter slots? Or maybe you folks can work in some Bell Biv Devoe and John Cougar..... | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 09:31:06 AM by rwaterman: | |
| Or you could see the glass as half full and say, "Wow, if David Bowie's Live and the Velvet Underground 1969 are only in the bottom ten of this list, how good is the rest going to be? Or not. | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 09:38:20 AM by florenz6: | |
| Well, ähem, am I allowed to make you some offers for the remaining albums??! - The Name Of this Band is Talking Heads - 801 Live - Allman Brothers Band Live at Fillmore - Soft Machine: Third It´s only meant to be some food for thought, before we have to face "Rattle and Hum" or Peter Frampton Live :) :) | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 09:48:05 AM by johnedowney: | |
| I can't listen to any Sinatra album that wasn't live, so I'm hoping he gets some space. | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 10:29:45 AM by florenz6: | |
| The nice thing with musical listmania is you walk through your own memories, and strange combinations/snippets of memory/sound turn up and vansish. What do ya think of these 5-star-live-albums: Henry Cow: Concerts (wonderful re-release); Sam Cooke: Live at the Harlem Square Club; Supersilent 5 (one of the greastest live acts on the planet); Neil Young: Live Rust; Miles Davis: "Big Fun" or "In Concert" (underrated masterpieces by Miles Davis from his electric period.) | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 10:41:43 AM by rwaterman: | |
| I'm just really hoping that no live albums by The Doors make the list, because those things are just horrible. | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 11:02:21 AM by angrymice: | |
| Does Supersilent 5 count? It was fairly restructured. It was recorded live, yes, but it isn't really a live document. Let's be safe and stick with Supersilent 7. As for my votes, votes that probably won't get on there, Swans are Dead and The Necks Athenaeum Homebush Quay & Raab. | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 11:29:57 AM by bonhoffer23: | |
| RE: Miles' "Big Fun." Not a live album. That said, if we're including jazz, one might opt for Cannonball Adderley's "Mercy Mercy Mercy" (sort of live), or Art Blakey at Birdland (one, two, or both), or Miles at the Plugged Nickel (all 7 discs), or Miles at the Cellar Door (all 6 discs), or Coltrane at Birdland, or Coltrane at the Village Vanguard, or Brad Mehldau in Tokyo, or... etc | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 11:32:14 AM by florenz6: | |
| Point for you, angrymice. And yes, Supersilent 7 is black and white and beautiful in real time! Hope this series will not end up as nostalgic show-down for people who never left "Hotel California". Some of this old, so-called timeless stuff (some!) doesn´t stand the test of time! The trick is you have to listen to it again, and not trust your memory! I did that with that famous Allmwn Brothers-Fillmore-double-album. Blues-rock is definitely not my passion, but that music transcends all genre definitions. Listening to "In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed", will (let´s get pathetic!) fill my heart with joy forever. Or Robert Wyatt´s "Moon In June" from "Third". | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 11:40:24 AM by boilingboy: | |
| Swans are Dead, absolutely! I hope to see Hawkwind's "Space Ritual" on this list. | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 01:42:15 PM by vsvsvs: | |
| "Nighthawks at the Diner" for me | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 02:17:51 PM by Zarklephaser: | |
| From my collection, the top 5live albums that would (in a perfect world) absolutely make the Stylus list: The Smiths - Rank Depeche Mode - 101 The Cure - Paris Spiritualized - Royal Albert Hall October 10 1997 Wilco - Kicking Television | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 03:06:02 PM by ZakAce: | |
| This baby needs some Shihad in the hizzy. Best criminally ignored band ever! | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 04:02:16 PM by jefrecito: | |
| James Brown _live at the apollo_, obviously. | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 05:35:42 PM by barbarian: | |
| Good job putting in the Grateful Dead. Most rags tend to rag on the dead, but it is safe to call them one of the greatest live acts. Of course, I hope to see maybe two more live dead albums on the list and expect to be disappointed. But I would be really impressed if Stylus included one or two more anyways. My favorite recently would be Dick's Picks #2 because of the amazing jam from about 13:00-18:00 of the "Dark Star." Other than that, it's a short, tight disc. Very upbeat with a lot of energy. | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 05:53:50 PM by eraserhead: | |
| anyone know if those Dylan Bootleg Series discs would count. i'd assume that the "Royal Albert Hall" show would make the list if they count it. | |
| Posted 10/30/2006 - 10:08:13 PM by akiyama076: | |
| shihad are rubbish. i'm from wellington too. the best live albums i have heard: donny hathaway "live" folsom prison kick out the jams sam cooke at harlem square name of this band is talking heads | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 04:02:40 AM by proffokker: | |
| I have to thank bonhoffer23 for jogging my memory...the Bill Evans Trio's "Sunday at the Village Vanguard" or "Waltz for Debby." And the Quintet's "Jazz at Massey Hall" seems to be perennial favorite, if not necessarily for me. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 05:54:47 AM by : | |
| The question of whether JAZZ can elucidate a list like this languishes ingraciously in emphatic LIVE album despondency when someone like me proposes an ambiguous set of parameters to gate in those live acts whose ambitions were less prognostic than the individual players could have expected in 2006, and relax the rules to include bands whose ecclesiastical audiences wore their prospective hands tied behind their backs, leaving them unable to applaud ecstatic. Thus, JAZZ albums such as Art Blakey in Town, Ryan Modils Quartet plays the Quarterdome, Sun Ra on Moon Four, Papa Ng ;Staged in Boston, Herbie Hancock's Live Flowers and the Jazztet at Altamont, will always be considered about as live as the step progression of an 8th fretted chord change getting conceived by Jim Hall in the Jazz Wax Museum before a bi-plane carrying Buddy Holly and Etta James crash into it and burn the whole scheme to glory. The rules I referred to above are candle fodder and could only be made to carry rocknroll in a coffin high on the shoulders of a team of Mwambi Drummers doing circle rhythmics if this Stylus List actually demarcated a point between extraneous audience participation in the performance recorded and said restrictive straitjacket of live album afficionado-bollocking. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 11:11:34 AM by eldarko: | |
| Would you care to elaborate a little?!? | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 11:46:51 AM by proffokker: | |
| Ditto that. It's a tad dense, Disexists. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 11:49:47 AM by T____B: | |
| Anybody got a clue what Disexists is on about? | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 12:42:37 PM by skuter666: | |
| "Professor" Irwin Corey did that particular schtick so much better. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 01:39:23 PM by florenz6: | |
| RE: bonhoffer, yes, "Big Fun" was a studio recording. But it had a certain "live energy", at least:) Funnily enough, I just found a very good article on Stylus that kind of re-evaluated "Big Fun" that was put down by many opponents of his "electric phase". Anybody particularly interested in Miles´ 1969-1975-years, should go for Philip Freedman´s book "Running The Voodoo Down". And coming back to possibly great live recordings - Neil Young will be putting out a "Fillmore Recording" from 1971 within nthe next few weeks, with guitarist Danny Whitten still alive. Sixteen Minutes of "Cowgirl In The Sand" - well, I´m curiously looking forward to those pasttimes! | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 02:51:34 PM by ZakAce: | |
| Shihad are NOT rubbish! You have no taste in music if you think that. They're way better than the Average - I mean, Arctic Monkeys. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 04:08:56 PM by meatbreak: | |
| Hey you three, don't encourage the Disextist. Tell him he's a patchouli tranced hippy who'd love to see a five hour dead jam at the numbe rone spot. Then see what he really thinks. MxBx | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 05:08:43 PM by barbarian: | |
| I'm with The-Disexists on this one, even though I can't really grasp his point. All I know is he's smarter than most of you half wits, so lay off of the man. Florenz is cool though coz he has a good point about that new Neil Young show. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 05:09:50 PM by barbarian: | |
| Just wanted to add that meatbreak needs some meat up his ass for being a dumbshit. cmere hon. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 05:14:14 PM by akiyama076: | |
| Shihad churn out stadium anthems for westies and freshman. And the Artic Monkeys are less than average, dork. Why is there no love for Les Rallizes Denudes? | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 06:43:40 PM by IanMathers: | |
| I'm genuinely curious - do people really prefer the Name of This Band Is Talking Heads over Stop Making Sense (special editions of both, obviously)? I'm a huge fan of the band and the latter has always seemed clearly superior to me, but I've noticed a couple of people mentioning the former (which to my taste is too long and not possessed of the same weirdly joyous nervousness that makes SMS so amazing). | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 06:45:49 PM by meatbreak: | |
| The crack of your knuckles is music to by ears Babs. I just can't do eyebrows that meet in the middle, sorry. Of course Disexist nails it (like his coffin) - once he's done with his abstractifificating and metaphornication - but a list of live albums is far more inclusive and universally debatable than a top 50 best ever gigs, of which there is minimal scope for the interactive exchanges thusly flourishing. What did you think I meant? | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 07:02:58 PM by : | |
| It doesn`t take a halfwit genius to get the drift of my point - Stylus doesn`t review Jazz, as in trad jazz, three pieces, piano sextets, sax duplets, never, and given that so much of the jazz greats are live recordings, and given that Stylus doesn`t do jazz, it would indicate that the jazz albums appearing on this list are learned rather than loved, learn-ed. Their stiff upper lippy improvised bleating signals a collective shyness in the Stylus writer community that purposes only the innerconnected relativity of each member to his or her pre-agreed pre-list of the list, to which each member then voted on, and boy, can`t wait to see the individual writer`s lists. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 08:21:29 PM by proffokker: | |
| Point well taken, Disexists. (I still think the original was a little too much.) Barbarian: I take umbrage at being called a halfwit by someone who's A-material consists of sodomy jokes. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 08:23:47 PM by pinglewood: | |
| Dear me, your overwrought wordiness just sounds silly. My favourite live jazz album is Coltrane's Live in Antibes. It may well be learned rather than learn-ed but I can assure it is loved. I also hope that Tim Buckley’s Dream Letter: Live in London gets a mention because that is fucking great. | |
| Posted 10/31/2006 - 11:44:56 PM by : | |
| To you Pingle it may seem like overwrought wordiness but there is no other way to say "The question of whether JAZZ can elucidate a list like this languishes ingraciously in emphatic LIVE album despondency when someone like me proposes an ambiguous set of parameters to gate in those live acts whose ambitions were less prognostic than the individual players could have expected in 2006, and relax the rules to include bands whose ecclesiastical audiences wore their prospective hands tied behind their backs, leaving them unable to applaud ecstatic" than those very words themselves. There is no other way to say this, but I`d invite you to try. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 02:53:50 AM by florenz6: | |
| RE: Ian Mathers. I´m a huge band of the Talking heads, too. My all-time faves are three Eno-collabs "More Songs about Buildings and Food", "Fear Of Music" and "Remain in Light". i saw Jonathan Demme´s "Stop Making Sense" long time ago (still in my mind the beginning: David Byrne appearing alone on stage, looking around, setting the tone:)) - and liked that very much. But I was always coming back to the three studio albums. A friend gave me a copy of TNOTBITH a year ago, so it was just a wonderful time journey and refreshing of memories. But I think, yes, "SMS" was a more focussed work. P.S. But something goes deadly wrong in the case that Soft Machine´s "Third" and one of Miles´"electric albums (69-75) won´t appear in the final showdown. For many good reasons. ´(And "jazz" was only part of that magic!) | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 07:13:41 AM by bonhoffer23: | |
| Too much in the way of Teo madness on Big Fun for me to feel like it has much in the way of Live Energy, but I'd happily see Aghartha make a list of amazing live albums. Or It's About That Time. (Take both and you've got a fairly effective set of bookends for 1970s Electric Miles). That said, I guess I've always had a problem with jazz records showing up on top 50/100/500 albums lists, mostly because said lists are almost always 98% devoted to rock records (or to pop/rock and its various sidechannels) and the inclusion, then, of the publically recognized Hallmarks of jazz (Kind of Blue, Love Supreme, Bitches Brew) feels like pandering. Maybe that's what is meant by the potential for jazz to elucidate a list, but I'm not sure. What's gonna make the top 20? I'm predicting Live at the Apollo, Live at Leeds, Live at the "Royal Albert Hall," all of which should be there. Top 10 bootleg live recordings next? | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 08:33:48 AM by downloadsofist: | |
| So far it's too much languishing ingraciously in emphatic LIVE album despondency, not enough Peter Frampton. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 10:02:48 AM by johnedowney: | |
| Jazz is one of the few genres of music that ALWAYS sounds better live than in the studio, so it should always rank higher than live rock albums. "How The West Was Won" should get some space, though. Just putting that out there. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 10:10:56 AM by Mallory: | |
| Just to clarify since I've seen it mentioned here more than once, Soft Machine's Third was ineligible for the list as three of its four tracks were recorded in the studio. (The great live track, "Facelift" was actually a splice of two seperate recordings, BTW.) | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 10:32:48 AM by : | |
| raskolnikov and rwaterman might have posted the funniest things i've ever read on stylus up there. and the disexists is, of course, right: don't talk about what you don't know about, or people who do know can tell. ILM-skulking and wikipedia-mining do not a jazz (or music theory, or audio production) expert make. in fact, it doesn't even make you seem like a casual fan, or even mildly knowledgeable about jazz. just wait, now Miles Davis and John Coltrane will be in the top 5. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 10:39:17 AM by : | |
| oh wait, the obligatory coltrane & monk album's already on there. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 10:41:33 AM by bassman08: | |
| Ian: I think I prefer TNOTBITH to SMS. I dunno, but I think the first disc of TNOTB is just amazing with all the early songs. Plus disc 2 has some great, in some cases (in my opinion) better versions of many of the songs on SMS | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 11:34:11 AM by : | |
| I want to be a fly on the wall when the kind of people who listen to that much live Talking Heads are in the same room in hell with the ones who would die defending the Boredoms' honor and the ones who even knew there a J. Geils Band live album existed. That would be one whackass cracka way to spend eternity, but it sure would be fun to watch. Jeff Buckley would be the Master of Ceremonies and the Allman Brothers would perform covers of your favorite Laurie Anderson songs, all day, everday. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 12:24:46 PM by whiteboysushi: | |
| "That much live Talking Heads"? We're talking two albums here; that doesn't really strike me as excessive. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 12:29:52 PM by garlad1: | |
| Rust Never Sleeps of course...Too late to stop now, Hooray! Oil on Canvas, WTF? I gave that one back to the Salvation Army. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 12:38:18 PM by roadrunner: | |
| miles davis, LiveEvil | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 02:33:11 PM by Brooon: | |
| Band of Gypsies will be pretty high up I guess, as will How The West Was Won. Rory Gallacher's Irish Tour? I thought Minimum-Maximum (Kraftwerk) was fantastic too. I have a bootleg Massive Attack live album that really should be on the list too... | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 02:49:15 PM by Fantastic: | |
| daring pick on Sex Machine, but it's still no Live at the Apollo, vol. 1 or 2. I think I'd actually put the bill withers carnegie hall record #1 on my own list. it is that good. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 03:27:22 PM by : | |
| I don't really like live albums at all. Nor do I like bootlegged live shows. I like recordings that were made in studios, mostly because I think it's kinda rockist or at least not very current to think of the live spectacle as the pinnacle of the popular musical experience. At one point it was--say, when blues and jazz happened, then during the 50s, then again for glam and punk, then for what's being called "rave", d&b;, jungle, etc. But now I think the most interesting work is being done in the studio. Lists like this reek of tokenism, to me. Of course, I'm still reading it, right? | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 04:10:28 PM by johnedowney: | |
| Live albums have their place. I'd rather listen to James Brown live than hear some of his studio work. But nowadays, most bands put out live albums as a cheap cash-in, so hearing good live albums that were made in the past 5 years is rare. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 04:27:06 PM by cwperry: | |
| The Di-Sexists: When I was in graduate school, I overheard a professor telling a student that any piece of writing can be made better if the author goes back and takes out two-thirds of the adjectives and adverbs. I think of that every time I see one of your comments. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 07:53:27 PM by : | |
| But cwperry your comment suffers the heresy of easily over-ridden cognitive preaching and jumbles its own indistinct fortitude into a gregarious copraprophy of erstwhile nunk. If flasher-coated juvenilia disenhances your listening experiences by anally intoning your collective set of skronk-snorted dissatisfaction so fastidiously perhaps you`re better suited to that Professor`s suchwith indictum you so cancerously schooled yourself in, and found so lovingly re-constipated by the wit of your ecorical burping. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 08:25:53 PM by proffokker: | |
| Have we finally arrived at self-parody? | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 08:25:57 PM by proffokker: | |
| Additionally, I'd like to second johnedowney's last comment. | |
| Posted 11/01/2006 - 08:33:45 PM by bassman08: | |
| JessGraves: What the hell are you talking about? Oftentimes, a live album can show you a side to the music of an artist that you never even knew existed. I don't think it's rockist at all to like/ listen to live albums. It simply shows a listener another dimension of music that isn't simply made behind the walls of a studio. Take, for example, the live version of "Psycho Killer" from Stop Making Sense. It's stripped down all the way to a single acoustic guitar and a beat that Byrne got from a "boombox" (which was in reality someone behind the curtain making an electronic beat. It's so different from the studio version that it shows the song in a different light. That's the beauty of live albums: the improvisational element and the ability to tweak with the songs to give the listener another feel for them. So how the hell can you say that the most interesting work is being done in the studio? That's just attacking the live album for the sake of attacking it, because that is most definatly not the case. Have you ever listened to live music? At all? Like, I'm not just talking some bigname concert. Anytime a band plays live it will be a different experience than in the studio, be it the J Geils Band or that fucking high school hardcore band your freinds were in called "Spazztastic Peace on George Bush's Head" (work with me here). Live music has its place in just about ever genre from jazz to R&B; to rock. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 12:13:38 AM by barbarian: | |
| i wanna punch you people in the face | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 02:27:42 AM by florenz6: | |
| RE: cwperry: good professor RE. bassman08: fine mini-essay! Within the last ten days I saw great live performances in Germany from M. Ward (solo, with guitar and some effects), Sparklehorse and Lambchop that all added something valuable to my home-listenting of their studio albums. RE: jazz albums. It is nonsense that live jazz albums are "per se" better than studio recordings. SHOWDOWN: the final countdown for my personal Top ten live albums for the desert island: 10)The Kinks : Live at Kelvin Hall 9) Supersilent 7 8)John Coltrane: Live at the Village Vanguard Again 7)The Allman Brothers Band Live At The Fillmore East 6) Sam Cooke: Live At The Harlem Square Club (thanks, Josh!) 5)Keith Jarrett: Fort Yawuh (with the American Quartet; a live-recording from the Village Vanguard) 4)Henry Cow: Concerts (some tears in my eyes cause Soft Machine´s "Third" was really only live in parts, memory plays tricks, thank you, Mallory) 3)Miles Davis: In Concert (or Dark Magus) 2) Phil Manzanera / Brian Eno et al: 801 Live (John Peel loved it, it´s now 30 years old and still so fresh!) 1) John Coltrane: Live in Japan (the late Coltrane Quartet, live mono recordings, and so utterly beautiful. P.S. I forgot one of the great live albums from Don Cherry and Neil Young, well, you can´t have it all!P.P.S. "My" three greatest albums from 2006 were defintely no live recordings: A) Scott Walker: The Drift B) Joanna Newsom: Ys C) Leafcutter John: The Forest and The Sea. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 02:29:43 AM by cwperry: | |
| The-Disexists: Does my comment suffer a heresy, or does it commit a heresy? I hate reading bad writing. Proffokker is right, you are now a parody of yourself. Now, enjoy dreaming up a feverish response that I will never read. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 04:32:35 AM by meatbreak: | |
| To respond at odds with the prevailing trend that live performances can enhance studio recordings - I had loved Yo La Tengo's 'And Then Nothing Turned Itself Inside Out' for years and listened to it almost every day I was that obsessed with it. Then in 2004 I saw them live and they were atrocious. The problem was that my expectations were quite high - not an unforgivible conceit, right?. I have never really been able to listen to that album in the same way ever again and actually stopped listening to it completey for about a year, and even though their new one is pretty good, my admiration for them is significantly diminished. So it's not always good to go see people live, because they don't always deliver. My top live album though? Probably Joy Division - Preston 28 February 1980. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 04:53:13 AM by proffokker: | |
| True, but some bands are even better live. I saw the Roots live a year and a half or so back, and it made me want to go out and buy "The Tipping Point," if only to help me reminisce. As with most things, it depends on the band/artist. But the right band/artist can doing some really interesting things outside the studio. Epiphany: okay, this is fairly obvious, but I think it's wierd that we're debating the utility of live music, since live music had been the only way one could really enjoy music right up until the end of the 19th century. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 05:36:35 AM by bj_randolph: | |
| meatbreak- I strongly recommend that you seek out and read the liner notes in Yo La Tengo's Painful. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 06:25:43 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Why? Do I get a name-check? Will do though, thanks. Sounds intriguing. Also Proffokker - fine point about the advent of recorded music and Graves, lady - you really need to get out more if you think the studio is where it's all happening. Pro-tools trickery is one thing, but the other 90% of it is the band doing their thing and if they can't do it on stage, they can't do it in the studio, simple - and it shows. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 09:10:22 AM by johnedowney: | |
| Here's a question: how does the importance of the concert affect its perceived quality (if at all)? I've seen the "last" concert of the Murder City Devils on DVD, and while the music was awesome, the crowd and the band seemed more into it, knowing that it was going to be their last hurrah (well, for a while, at least). | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 09:13:32 AM by duggie: | |
| This list is really random. Radiohead's contractual obligation album over Live Rust, Live at the Harlem Square Club and Curtis Live? I don't think so. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 09:43:22 AM by fleezer: | |
| lets hope the top ten are ALL phish or at least #1 is livephish vol. 1, if not then die | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 10:16:20 AM by florenz6: | |
| RE: fleezer. Look, I have a good idea. Contact Barbarian (he wants to punch everybody on the face) and di-sexists (he might bring some flying tea-pots to the party) and then start a karaoke-trio exclusively singing phish, paris hilton and the strokes. Might be fun! | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 10:23:22 AM by : | |
| Would that it were my problem that I needed to get out more! Somehow I knew that was exactly your position on the matter, Meatbreak. See, I would rather DIE than listen to Radiohead play anything live, and their recordings are shit, too, but a slightly less disgusting shade. So some that's at least one example of a band that is shit live and does better in the studio. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 10:25:41 AM by : | |
| Bassman, were you that guy at the record store I saw buying 45s of Led Zep concert bootlegs? | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 10:29:11 AM by johnedowney: | |
| Jazz is usually better live, rock'n'roll is usually better in the studio, hip-hop/rap concerts usually suck (with a few, very noteworthy exceptions), and jam bands suck, PERIOD. Can we all agree to that? | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 10:36:02 AM by : | |
| Profokker, the Roots? Really? I remember my friend booking them for a college show. They. SUCKED. Scott Storch was brilliant jumping that sinking ship. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 10:48:45 AM by : | |
| live video is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sDZ6m-aOPo | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 10:54:43 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Hey Jess, you make a bit of a jump there from my attacking my suggestion that you should see more live stuff to saying Radiohead are shit - something I have to defiantly refute - but I never even mentioned them. I mean, you say you'd rather DIE than see them live, but then say they're shit live, so you must have seen them, right? And the TV doesn't count. Anyway, of course that would be my position), isn't it everyone's? Why is o.k. for a band to edit up their incompetence in the studio to produce something listenable rather than being a band that can actually play together onstage and create something just as layered and intricate and involving? (just three adjectives mind, feel free to add your own attributes) What are you saying Jess, that you see loads of bands all the time and they continually prove your theory that playing together is not how they work best and they'd be better off layering tracks one by one behing a glass screen? I'm not being argumentative or provocative, I'm intrigued. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:01:14 AM by : | |
| it might have something to do with having perfect pitch, and spending entire concerts trying not to seize, wanting to tune everyone up. and rock vocalists live? they tend so flat it makes me die a little inside everytime. fine, i've seen radiohead live. it sucked. i left within about 20 min. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:05:04 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Come on, you think rock vocalists are flat then you walk out of Radiohead after 20 minutes...something's not adding up here. So for you, who is actually any good on stage? | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:13:16 AM by : | |
| The best live show I ever saw was Thee Majesty, though that was mostly spoken-wordy--still, vocals were so resonant i could almost hear overtones, pitch perfect, Genesis' cadences so so so beautiful. So fucking terrifying. Hmmmm...who else? Recently, the only new band I kinda liked live was Psychic Ills. Their guitarist almost stayed in tune the whole time and touched right in the middle of the middle of the frets where all the pretty microtones live! And it made sleepy. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:31:36 AM by meatbreak: | |
| O.K. So you're into your industrial psych-outs. That might explain away the Radiohead thing, and your disdain for rock and roll bawlers. Thing is, as johnedowney kind of said a bit earlier up, rock and roll might 'sound' better in the studio, but it's all about the energy and relationship with an audience. Plenty different kinds of energy, I admit, but that wide-eyed, feral , frenzied one? You only get that from rock and roll (in most of it's myriad forms). But Psychic Ills? Weren't you baiting us Boredoms lovers a little while back? When I saw them a couple of years back doing their three drummers gigs it was something pretty special indeed - no guitars to mis-play either. That ones in my top 5 for sure. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:32:38 AM by : | |
| shit--Hawkwind live? THAT's an album I'd want to hear, Boilingboy. good point. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:34:49 AM by : | |
| the fall live are ok on that overpriced DVD i bought at kim's. sometimes. see, i guess i prefer rock vocalists who just give in and talk, knowing how insulting it would be for anyone to have to hear them sing. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:37:30 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Like Aiden Moffat? | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:38:49 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Can't imagine how bad his singing voice would be. Hawkwind? I was going to ask whether a Motorhead album would be in the top few - At Hammersmith maybe? There must be some rivetheads at Stylus somewhere | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:40:42 AM by : | |
| no, nothing like that. Lemmy does not need to sing well, or do anything well, but smoke and shoot meth. Because he is my hero anyway. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:46:06 AM by : | |
| actually, david byrne is a notable exception to the bad rock vocalist thing. at least his cokedup affectation is cute and usually in the right key live. but still, they're so mined to death now, like do i still have to care about the talking heads? | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:48:08 AM by florenz6: | |
| this starts to become really funny - be careful, meatbreak, in the end you will have a date with that jessegirl(?), sitting in your local cinema watching shortbus hand in hand... | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 11:54:04 AM by : | |
| no, it would be at a clap your hands say yeah show. because they're so good live. and sound like the talking heads. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 12:07:12 PM by meatbreak: | |
| But that Clap Hands guy's voice is so reedy and weedy. I thought you said Lemmy was your hero! You've ruined it ALL now!! I'm going home. (Literally - I should have left work 10 minutes ago) | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 12:10:24 PM by : | |
| I'll bring the riding crop, you bring the gag and the Disexsists. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 01:13:46 PM by meatbreak: | |
| It's a date. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 01:22:11 PM by florenz6: | |
| (and here the curtain´s closing)- Meatbreak, I knew it. You owe me a dime:) Best wishes from the Radiohead-Talking Heads-Connection! | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 01:23:20 PM by Brooon: | |
| That live Radiohead album is good, and sure enough the version of Like Spinning Plates is spectacular, but to place it as the 13th best live album of all time is crazy. We all know how great Radiohead are, how they're probably the single most critically loved band of the last 10 years, blah blah blah, but putting I Might Be Wrong at 13 seems like a concession to Radiohead because THEY are so great, rather than because THE ALBUM actually deserves it. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 01:28:14 PM by ZakAce: | |
| YES! Stop Making Sense! C'mon, Name Of This Band! CBF arguing about Shihad. The main reason I rabbit on about the 'Had is because I want them to be more popular overseas. It really annoys me how many sub-par bands are being rewarded when Shihad could kick their asses ten times over, Westie anthems or not. If someone buys 'The General Electric' because of my ranting, then I'll be one very happy mofo. Rant over, kthxbai. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 01:32:12 PM by eldarko: | |
| Disappointed to see the Jay-Z live album on this list. Not because it's a particularly poor album, but rather because your intro to this piece seemed to suggest that you would be dealing in live albums that 'elevated' the art form. To be frank, the Jay-Z live album - despite some nice playing by The Roots - never improves or expands upon Hova's originals. Would it be wrong of me to suggest that this album's inclusion smacks of tokenism? After all, how many truly great 'live' albums exist in the hip hop canon... | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 04:57:22 PM by dlwiebe: | |
| I assume one of these Miles Davis albums will make the cut: Dark Magus Pangaea Agharta A few others that haven't made the cut yet: Roxy Music - Heart Still Beating Bob Marley & The Wailers - Live Santana - Lotus The Quintet - V.S.O.P. Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at The Star Club Hamburg Jerry Lee Lewis - The Complete Palomino Club Recordings And despite the endless Doors disdain The Doors - In Concert (Absolutely Live, Alive She Cried, and Live at The Hollywood Bowl My favorite live album is The Mekons 25th Anniversary Concert at The Abbey Pub, but is not available to the general public. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 06:31:40 PM by onesize: | |
| I know Zappa's Live at The Roxy will be in the top 10 or Little Feat's, Waiting for Colombus | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 07:32:55 PM by barbarian: | |
| I Might Be Wrong doesn't even belong in the motherfucking top fifty. Dumb motherfuckers. Good job rewriting history, morons. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 07:36:27 PM by barbarian: | |
| Oh and the dumbass ripping on Yo La Tengo's live show has obviously never heard a frickin roaring extended version of "Barnaby, Hardly Working." Bad, newbie! bad! | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 08:57:33 PM by boilingboy: | |
| Barnaby, Hardly Working is an ass-kicking, mind-altering song...live or on record. Since you guys were talking about vocalists ruining a live show, the one time I actually had to leave the club was because of the singer for The Rapture. His bleating was so obnoxious, it ruined the rest of the band. It wasn't ironic non-singing...merely excruciating. Pro Tools sure helped that guy in the studio. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 09:22:48 PM by proffokker: | |
| Jess: Yes. Really. I have my...(wait for it)...own opinions. The fact that you seem to hate most live acts makes me think that very little could have been done to please you. And Scott Storch has been kind of a hack lately, so I can't say how brilliant he's been. | |
| Posted 11/02/2006 - 09:23:58 PM by proffokker: | |
| Oh, and anyone who isn't inspired by the spoken intro at the beginning of Kick Out the Jams (song or album) is either extremely conservative or dead. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 07:59:07 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Nothing to add (yet), I just wanted the 100th comment. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 08:06:02 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Oh hang on, the top 10 just appeared. What?! No frickin' Motorhead. The Who Live At Leeds broke my cd player by the disc turning up vertically, that's how rockin' that album is - I mean, how can the even happen?! | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 08:56:22 AM by Hubajube: | |
| Tabla Beat Science - Live In San Francisco At Stern Grove is my "hey wait" pick. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 09:17:58 AM by fleezer: | |
| no phish?! whatever, youve just discredited yourself forever. no one put on a show like they did, did f'in bowie or dickhead dylan write songs within songs on the spot? 97% of the albums listed is shit that barely differs on the studio record, making the live show nothing but novelty. f off stylus and anyone who disagrees. your not aware even aware of it but live PHISH owns your life, you may think not but be rest assured they do! if you realize I congratulate you, your life will only get better now... start with 11/14/95 set II. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 09:37:08 AM by : | |
| I knew I should've eaten breakfast. Bob "I'm a poet, don't you know it" Dylan. I should've known. I'll never get those 30 seconds back. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 09:40:54 AM by : | |
| Scott Storch is stacking papers, and that's what matters. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 09:44:54 AM by florenz6: | |
| RE: Fleezer, plese read my advice once again (yesterday 10:16:20)- what are you bullshitting around? Are you 12 years old? What you´re saying about 90x per cent of these albums, is simply ridiculous. I mean , look, one my all time fave live recordings didn´t appear on the list, too - "801 live" - but it´s okay - something´s always falling under the table. Even on my private Top 10 list, I forgot somehow to bring some of the great late Tim Buckley London perfomances into play, so what? RE: meatbreak. You got the date? I was a bit worrying, cause she wanted to bring the Disexists with her. I will see Yo la Tengo in Düsseldorf, I hope very much I won´t be disappointed. Know of people who enjoy them live very much - maybe, they had a bad day! And next week ist Sujan Stevens-Night in Cologne, ten people in the band - and aside from his fantastic "Avalanche"-cd he´s now putting out a 5-cd-box with christmas songs. This might be a bit too much for me, but I will give it a try! Have a great weekend! | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 09:56:45 AM by : | |
| Not just Bob Dylan at number one, but over LiveEvil and Live at the Apollo? There is a special place in hell for those who practice this kind of whackass crackerism, as described above. Only now, Fleezer is also going to be there, playing hacky sack and twirling devil sticks. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:04:47 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Yeah, YLT possibly did have a bad day so i hope they're good for you Florenz, especially the brazen VUisms of their new stuff. I can't wait to hear what Disexists has to say about Dylan's No.1 position, I've missed his presence in the latter half of these comments. Oh, and Nirvana; surely remembering their MTV Unplugged is like bottling the jizz left over after your sister got raped and getting it out every Christmas to put on top of the tree. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:05:51 AM by : | |
| Florenz, it would be more interesting in Duesseldorf to sit around on the street checking out the Turkish cab driver's ensembles complete with tubesocks under sandals with shorts + requisite gold hoop earrings than it would be to see Yo La Tengo. Seriously, save your Euro. I remember seeing them once at the chapel, BEAUTIFUL ACOUSTICS completely wasted. A few of us in our best, most obnoxious fake nerdy nasally voices kept screaming "play autumn sweater!" and that fat guy with the glasses had no idea we were kidding. He finally said "we're going to get to that, ok!?" Then we went downstairs and borrowed some of their refreshments. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:13:01 AM by Compunction: | |
| jessgraves: you're just rude. think about it; being rude is pretty bad. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:16:22 AM by bassman08: | |
| Live at Leeds kicks so much ass it should be illegal. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:16:28 AM by : | |
| Damn, how will I live with myself, now that I know that? | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:22:20 AM by : | |
| I jogged across my laptop this morning like a herd of stampeding finger painters lip-synching to Like A Rolling Stone; we dipped our little pinkies in the blue pot and came up royally airforced to spend the rest of our days in 1966 heaven. Yup. So the Dylanophiles have choked the living bejesus out of Lonesome Rap for Fattie Carroll and we the half-assed audience (the Portishead "Dummy" so to speak) can channel our syncopated resources, no, pour is a better verb, pour those time-spotting energies of ours that would otherwise be idly frizzing around the benter end of a queer and rakish Bowie-noir version of When the Ship Comes In just so the more fricative ill-stamina-ed JessGraves and Mincing Meatbreak can flop their Live Album guest spot-on-Stylus appearancing as cleverly devised and post-readied internal conveyancing. The message is clear - Dylan's boogie woogie earns the blueprint of a thousand fans braying "Sing the sophomore solo" to a demonized Robbie Robertson while Dylan's harmonica toodles a tiddly tune in tune with an alternative pitching of fantastical heads. I know that I would have probably put it up there at #1 too, shucks, ya schmucks. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:32:05 AM by florenz6: | |
| Jessy is only playing rude. In her secret life, she ´s listening to old Cohen songs, the old vinyl of "Desire" is full of clicks and cuts (because she has listened to it a thousand times). Sometimes you can hear her sing "One more Cup of Coffee" in the wee hours of the morning. And she surely loves Christmas songs. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:34:27 AM by : | |
| Last night, I listened to Mystikal's "Shake Ya Ass" live, in honor of this column. I would probably have put that album at #1, because I don't give a fuck about your dad's favorite soundtrack to seducing Kent State coeds. People should listen to Syd Barrett's song about Bob Dylan. It's so funny. P.S. The Disexists really IS a hippie. That or his parents sprinkled triptymines into his wheaties. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:35:14 AM by : | |
| triptamines | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 11:00:41 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Told you so. Now here's the thing. I have always considered live albums to be more memorabilia, nothing like cultural maypoles to dance around. If you were there, a nice souvenier to bring back the smells and feel and if you weren't, just a little something to show you what you missed. Sure, we can blast them into space as historic documents, touchstones of when the world, no - music world, no - small section of the music world, turned its head at the same time, but surely all any alien is going to think is 'Yeah, that sounds pretty interesting, shame I didn't see it.' I never really think 'Oh yeah, today I'll listen to XX's live album'. Peel Sessions, on the other hand, are a whole other Top 50. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 11:01:21 AM by krosshoff: | |
| stop making sense is my favorite album, period. tnotb is nice and all but nowhere near as compelling as an album (to my ears obv.) and that blurb doesn't help me understand why it'd be priveleged. (except that folks like their early material more.) anyway. weird to see a bunch of only recently available records/live comps even (clash, zep, dylan 75) are so high up. but i do love that kraftwerk album. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 11:17:17 AM by : | |
| I was talking last night to people and we were saying how the whole idea of the "live album" as somehow a purer representation of the Real Spectacle that is popular music where we discharge all of that Id we've pushed so deep underground and hive mind creates hysteria and it's like as frenetically erotic as a Nazi rally is kind of a big joke. Even some of the albums on here were carefully recorded through expensive equipment, mixed on site, and edited then carefully mastered by engineers and producers before sent out into the marketplace as "live albums". They're not like somehow pure documents of the live show, they're not any more "authentic" (qua being pure documentation of the "live" event) than a lot of studio recordings. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 11:17:33 AM by florenz6: | |
| This whole public talk started with a guy bearing the name of a killer in a famous Russian novel. We read of people´s death wishes, hell phantasies and a bit about their attitude to live performances. Ex-scientologists are looking around the corner (who are regarded as hippies,oh me,oh my)). So, if some of these people would meet in real life - how many pills, psychologists, and police forces would be necessary to prevent Fight Club II ?! Let´s come back to the great moments in time captured on a lot of these records or in our memories. A week ago I was in Cologne, Gebäude 9 - a nice place. M. Ward was performing solo and giving his version of Bowie´s "Let´s Dance". I really don´t like the original, but he turned shit (mainstream) into gold. So beautiful! | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 11:30:02 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Anyone who's seen Sunno))) will know that it really is not possible to capture the most compelling performances on tape. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 11:30:49 AM by : | |
| I think my team of shrinks would strongly disapprove of anything like that. Too bad, because Koeln is one of my favorite places in the world, the Dom is fantastic. The fruit markets. It's like Deutschland's Venice. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 11:34:27 AM by meatbreak: | |
| Actually, my number one live album of all time is Atari Teenage Riot live at Brixton Academy 1999. That's how you fucking reinterpret your material for the live arena, epsecially when you're opening for Nine Inch nails and the shrinks told you to NEVER PLAY AGAIN!!! | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 02:38:10 PM by johnedowney: | |
| With the possible exception of The Who, that top 10 looks pretty sweet to me. I would've placed Nirvana ahead of Talking Heads, but you really can't go wrong with either. Oh, and, uh, justify causation with the periscope of your soul, or else you will never truly comprehend the meaning of the word "discretion"...and with that lack of solitude will come a million seagulls to cave your skulls in with their shotguns of logic and nuclear shit bombs. They will sing beautiful songs that you will never understand because your intellect is inferior to the dolphin's. Perhaps, then, after the world has ended, and we are all dead, and we can look back at the mistakes we made in this mortal coil, we will know why "Scabdates", "Life On The Murder Scene", and "Live at the Starland Ballroom" deserve to be in this top ten. Obfuscate the obfuscated. Vamoose. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 04:03:16 PM by super_are: | |
| any list of "top live albums" that doesn't include "live at the regal" isn't much of a list at all. i understand, though, you had to make room for that portishead album. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 04:36:23 PM by : | |
| howlin wolf killing floor | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 05:54:16 PM by ZakAce: | |
| Ah, nerts, no Shihad. On the other hand.... Y-Y-Y-YUSSSSS for NOTB! OK, I'm happy. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 06:25:45 PM by ashetler: | |
| i'm flabbergasted that you would leave iron maiden's "live after death" off of this list. regardless of what you think of this band, you've got to love this live double lp. you're all a bunch of hipster bitches. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 06:35:24 PM by proffokker: | |
| ...who don't really care about iron maiden. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 06:50:05 PM by idunnowhy: | |
| i know its kinda off-topic, but I saw yo la tengo live and they were terrible then too. Instead of playing the beautiful guitar solo for "stockholm syndrome," ira just did some wanky noise for 30 seconds. But I still love them anyway | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 06:57:47 PM by ashetler: | |
| whatever, fokker...i'm sure you're stoked on the live jay-z, huh? | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 07:18:38 PM by proffokker: | |
| No, I'm not. I was more intrigued by its inclusion than anything, but thanks for playing. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 07:49:08 PM by barbarian: | |
| yo, i just wanted to stop by one last time to say this list sucks. see ya. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:34:54 PM by jenglisbe: | |
| where is mariah's unplugged? she killed songs like "if it's over" and had a #1 hit with "i'll be there." aretha live at fillmore is great, too. | |
| Posted 11/03/2006 - 10:52:13 PM by : | |
| The Disexists are nothing more than wild animal tab definitions whose Tantrum Box opens four blinking eyes; a tiny round hole with a circle inside it, each revolving in an antiquated direction with the future as its moving background. There must be four of those eyes, pupils as white as the Dalai Lama's snowsheet, because we always share one opinion on music that is added to another on sound-at-source, the third takes both of these and applies a quadratic formula resulting a negative of the fourth opinion. If you simply reverse the process, you can exfoliate the hairy conundrums in our fevered mumblings, line each channel of thought up and let them dissolve like black letter on a white background. You do see what I mean now, and that is how we shall all talk about music from now on, if we want to get to the truer subject in our Godless little worldier mindsets. It's easier than thinking up the trash of a magazine side column. | |
| Posted 11/04/2006 - 06:50:13 AM by florenz6: | |
| Disexists, i´m more interested in experiences than messages. Talking about experiences is interesting as well, but your pseudo-surreal arrogant "telling-the-truth"-point of view is unbearable. Offending people who have something to say about their love for certain musics, is so stupid. This week´s side column made a lot of people curious to look (again) for some (new) old records, refreshing their memories, leading to some valuable personal experiences, where none of these post-scientological-pseudo-esoteric mumblings are of any value. | |
| Posted 11/04/2006 - 08:05:08 AM by onesize: | |
| Kraftwerk?? Portishead?? and not one John Coltrane, Neil Young, Zappa...but you have 2 Talking Heads albums. | |
| Posted 11/04/2006 - 10:21:07 AM by MonsterKids: | |
| Lemmy totally deserves a place on this list. From the very unfortunate derision directed toward Maiden earlier (how can you diss a record that starts with a speech by effin' Winston Chruchill?!), it doesn't seem likely that this crew would dig on the heavier stuff but how can you ignore "No Sleep 'Til Hammersmith"? For all the accolades you heap on the Talking Heads, does any one of their (comparatively flaccid) shows include a number introduced by the road crew? I'm sure that large suits transcend something or another, but does David Byrne's group illustrate the might, if not the necessity, of the double-kick drum like Motorhead does throughout "No Sleep"? And finally, could Tina Weymouth ever be mistaken for someone with the nickname "Philthy Animal"? | |
| Posted 11/04/2006 - 03:29:00 PM by gloden: | |
| Wow, this is one of the shittiest lists I've seen in a long long time. Half of these albums are unlistenable and where is Cheap Trick? | |
| Posted 11/04/2006 - 03:36:22 PM by dlwiebe: | |
| Live/Evil is an awful pick. The live stuff doesn't represent what the group was like as John McLaughlin was brought in for one night only as a ringer. The so-called "transition" period can be heard on the Cellar Door boxed set. For pure balls to the walls Miles Agartha is the place to go. So easy to forget that the acoustic set Dylan does before the mythic electric is BORING as hell. | |
| Posted 11/04/2006 - 05:06:42 PM by Zarklephaser: | |
| * tryptamines (both of you were wrong . . . idiots) | |
| Posted 11/04/2006 - 07:51:22 PM by barbarian: | |
| "Here's why this disc matters: because nothing you play after it does." That is freaking deep, man. LOL. | |
| Posted 11/04/2006 - 09:45:41 PM by : | |
| Florenz baby, I'm hurt that you're hurt. Offending for the sake of it is child's play, something I would never do. However, writing my opinion in the language that suits me best, the language that gets me to the grittiest determination of the soul of my soul, the purest form of my own dogged expression, and while it may be of no use to you, there are many others who understand intuitively where I'm coming from. Er...get off the Scientology freakshow already. Never was, never am. That was a position I took to try to make a valid argument for the opposition. How much more we learn about ourselves when we wilfully take the position against which our natural self flows. Oh, but I guess that sounds like more pseudo-belligerent bibliographical roughage to you. | |
| Posted 11/04/2006 - 09:54:15 PM by : | |
| Umm, retro-postscript: sozzabouzats, wazzant referring to this top 50 as a magazine side column. Bad misunderstanding. Have been subliminally rooting for the Talking Heads 'Stop Making Sense' with all these posts. | |
| Posted 11/05/2006 - 12:34:01 AM by proffokker: | |
| MonsterKids: I wasn't actually expresssing any sort of dislike of Iron Maiden. I'm officially neutral. I just thought it was unreasonable of ashetler to complain that they weren't included when he/she him/herself basically implied (rightly, it seems) none of the pollsters even liked Iron Maiden. Obviously, the list won't be crammed with consensus (or majority) un-favorites. Seriously, though, opening with Churchill does sound pretty badass. | |
| Posted 11/05/2006 - 12:35:25 AM by proffokker: | |
| "Forget the history. Here's why this disc matters: because nothing you play after it does." Yeah...that's not hyperbole. | |
| Posted 11/05/2006 - 12:36:54 AM by proffokker: | |
| Apparently written sarcasm is difficult for me without italics. That last one was sarcastic, if anyone's curious. | |
| Posted 11/05/2006 - 05:24:23 AM by florenz6: | |
| Role-playing facists is a bit ambivalent in a public field, disexists. Fuck yourself, sweety! Such a nasty arrogant attitude always produces boomerangs. | |
| Posted 11/05/2006 - 06:21:04 AM by : | |
| About where Flo pitches fierce antipathy at Dis, her retort's form dismisses to default; xxxx The Queen of Expletives, blitzing the fracas, stumbles flippant as a Freud-struck gigolo to show, uprooted and arched like an astute acrobat with a bamboo shoot whupping up all the non-starters' ears' asses and alights inconspic on all sundry's lips. Grasping onto tongues rungs like a trapeze artist, a shout's fall of fault-ups behind each perfect vault-up, she browbeats the crowd with self-implored encores, heating the melee into a stew of razzed tiz. The slur, urged on by her own sexual fervour leeches her slang onto bitses of speeches, altercates back'n'forth, serrating rhetoric into bite-sized phrases, cussing down dead the decayed esprit de corps, til those French-excusees most 'fected can get themselves suffixed or just prefix off. Insidious the agro constrained in the word enflames the most timid of wild beast tamers, hurtling its ruckused fist into each-to-their-own's hard sworn Opinion and puffs up in the face of some schmuck vocab's margins. The incendiary pandemonium finds itself factioned off smashed. The satisfied word smirks and sneaks thence unheard, faints away like the absurd slurps of a belly's internal belch, feigning private disgust at its cul-de-saced self. Hehe. | |
| Posted 11/05/2006 - 12:49:30 PM by johnedowney: | |
| Agreed, Disexists. Completely agreed. We will now count our tallyhoes in the pit of eternal happiness, while the tunes of Unicorns and El-P warble in the background. If that is not lovemaking, then I don't know what is. | |
| Posted 11/05/2006 - 01:43:01 PM by florenz6: | |
| You would have never thought that such a document would become a "historic" one in such a short amount of time - but that happened with "That Striped Sunlight Sound" from The Go-Betweens - after the tragic death of Grant McLennan. it´s a wonderful live performance in their hometown, full of soulful songs and talks. Highly appreciated! (DVD plus audio-cd) | |
| Posted 11/05/2006 - 08:24:59 PM by : | |
| Proffokker, the sad part is that it seems the person writing it didn't at all mean it to be hyperbolic. SPACERWOMAN alone is worth more than that entire album and that guy's entire career to me. That wasn't hyperbole, or sarastic. Just in case anyone wondered. | |
| Posted 11/06/2006 - 12:50:57 AM by proffokker: | |
| That was, in fact, my @#!#@$ point. | |
| Posted 11/06/2006 - 05:38:13 AM by cinatyte: | |
| I always knew, reading through the list, that there was something major I was forgetting. I found it at #5. "MTV Unplugged in New York" is one of my favorite albums and I was glad to see it ranked so highly, even though I, too, would have put it above Talking Heads. Overall, this was as good a job as anyone could have done with a gargantuan task like this, so nice work. | |
| Posted 11/06/2006 - 06:15:42 AM by meatbreak: | |
| No, not that great a job - seriously, ATR, Brixton 1999. Has anyone here actually heard it? (or maybe you were even there). An unbelievable job of sonically attacking an audience. Way more meaningful than some band chopping out their tracks in the most perfect way possible. Mayhem, total ayhem and definately an event that will not likely be repeated, since few bands have the capacity to turn their set into somethng so totally ferocious and different to what their audience expects. Kind of like Dylan's Albert hall gig I giess, without the crappy acoustic bit at the beginning. You can all stick with your safe acoustic sets and sleep well at night though. | |
| Posted 11/06/2006 - 11:18:56 AM by : | |
| My point was more about loving Charlie-Spacerwoman. Sorry Proffokker, I was just using your comment to set that one up. | |
| Posted 11/07/2006 - 02:57:47 AM by duggie: | |
| No Hawkwind No Credibility | |
| Posted 11/08/2006 - 09:23:02 PM by : | |
| Last word on this. Dylan 1964 shoulda been at no.2. The Dylan 1975 shoulda never been recorded. Cos I`ve got a rollercoaster ride in my head intended for Bob Dyl if I ever meet him, and it consists of 32 watermelons, 58 Spaceship Pumpkins and a lot of jello, to which we will slide into together and discuss the Judas comment for half an hour while raskolnikov is stretched on a rack and meatbreak`s ears are placed in the Dylan Museum as representative of PURPOSE in the Dylan conundrum which will be around for about another 400 years. | |